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[07:55]<+camerongray> Ahh - I love the spam coments on my site: "you're in point of fact a just right webmaster. The site loading pace is amazing. It kind of feels that you're doing any distinctive trick. In addition, The contents are masterwork. you have done a excellent activity in this topic!"
[07:56]<@BC_Programming> oh haha did you see my blog post where I made fun of some spam comments I got on my blog?
[07:57]<@BC_Programming> http://bc-programming.com/blogs/2011/01/spam-comment-analysis-1/
[07:59]<@BC_Programming> haha these are hilarious
[08:00]<@BC_Programming> wow it is sad when I burst out laughing at my own stuff
[08:10]<+camerongray> lol
[08:11]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[08:11]<@BC_Programming> if I release BASeBlock it will need a source license
[08:11]<@BC_Programming> will have to read over the BSD/MIT license
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[08:55]<+camerongray> 'tis a sad day when you have to admit defa
[08:55]<+camerongray> ea
[08:55]<+camerongray> fail
[08:55]<@BC_Programming> ?
[08:55]<@BC_Programming> how so
[08:55]<+camerongray> I hit enter too early :P
[08:56]<+camerongray> 'tis a sad day when you have to admit defeat and have to look at an instruction manual
[08:56]<@BC_Programming> ahh
[08:56]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[08:56]<@BC_Programming> I'll erect a tombstone
[08:56]<+camerongray> Oh - I can't even find it :P
[08:56]<@BC_Programming> oh yeah did you see my comment earlier
[08:56]<+camerongray> lol
[08:56]<@BC_Programming> after the nyan cat thing?
[08:57]<+camerongray> nope
[08:57]<@BC_Programming> I was like... hey wait a second... camerongray said he "worried about me" because I watch MLP
[08:57]<+camerongray> Hahaha
[08:57]<+camerongray> Can someone tell Panasonic that the following names are not very intuitive as quality settings: HA1920, HG1920, HX1920, HE1920
[08:57]<+camerongray> Which is better?!?!!
[08:57]<+camerongray> :P
[08:58]<@BC_Programming> and then you talked about how you watched a video of a cat with the body of a pop-tart crapping rainbows flying through space with bad music for an hour
[08:58]<@BC_Programming> I am not the one who should be worried over I fear
[08:58]<@BC_Programming> heh
[08:58]<+camerongray> lol
[08:59]<@BC_Programming> heh I'm posting on a 250+ page thread on the minecraft forum
[08:59]<@BC_Programming> about MLP
[08:59]<@jacky> (as he conjures up the ghost of Ralphy)
[08:59]<@BC_Programming> oh dear
[08:59]<@BC_Programming> why did you go and do that
[08:59]<@BC_Programming> now we wil lbe ghost-grepped!
[08:59]<@jacky> I've no idea what the conversation is about.... didn't even read back... just couldn't resist when I saw that one line
[08:59]<@jacky> heheheehehe
[09:00]<+camerongray> lol
[09:00]<+camerongray> I shall sum up for jacky...
[09:01]<@BC_Programming> I dunno if I trust you for that
[09:01]<@BC_Programming> heh
[09:01]<@jacky> oh no... it's much more fun to be confused when talking about Ralphy
[09:01]<@jacky> hehehe
[09:01]<@BC_Programming> well yeah, that's sorta the point really
[09:01]<@jacky> it gets one in the spirit of things...
[09:01]<@jacky> bingo
[09:01]<@BC_Programming> I mean it's impossible to properly think like Ralphy without being thoroughly confused.
[09:02]<+camerongray> Basically BC was watching "My Little Pony" and I said that I worry about him - Then I listened to 3500seconds of Nyan Cat (A dancing pop tart cat that plays annoying Japanese music)
[09:02]<+camerongray> http://www.nyan.cat/
[09:02]<@BC_Programming> it's not "My Little Pony"
[09:02]<@BC_Programming> it's "My Little Pony: Friendship is magic" get it right
[09:02]<@BC_Programming> totally different
[09:02]<+camerongray> lol
[09:02]<@jacky> camerongray: if you listen to stuff like that, we are worried about you
[09:02]<@jacky> BC_Programming: by the way... how's yer pony doing?
[09:02]<@BC_Programming> yeah, and it's not my fault I watch MLP
[09:02]<@BC_Programming> I was tricked
[09:02]<+camerongray> It's more the challenge of not throwing the computer out the window
[09:03]<@jacky> camerongray: with, or without vomiting on it first?
[09:03]<+camerongray> Its not like I listen to it on the bus - That would be weird :P
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> yeah bring a boombox
[09:03]<+camerongray> Actually - I have internet on my phone :P
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> well yeah but that's not loud enough
[09:03]<@jacky> camerongray: the whole internet??? wow... your phone must use one of them there Z80 chips!
[09:04]<sonicrules1234> So, should I get back on Chrome OS?
[09:04]<+camerongray> lol
[09:04]<@jacky> :)
[09:04]<@jacky> I suspect the z80 was out of production for many years, before camerongray was even born. ... sigh...
[09:04]<+camerongray> Some 600mHz ARM one - Not bad for ?99
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> that Z80 comment just made me think
[09:04]<@jacky> BC_Programming: did you hurt yourself?
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> how much does a cellphone cost? like 30 dollars for a fairly cheap one?
[09:04]<+camerongray> jacky: Also, my friend managed to leave his laptop at my friends house during one of our app development meetings so I set nyan cat as his logon sound :P
[09:05]<+camerongray> I don't think he's worked out how to change it yet
[09:05]<@jacky> camerongray: gotta love your style!
[09:05]<@BC_Programming> and they have fairly powerful chips in them, those cheap cellphones
[09:05]<@jacky> I always liked, "Hello Dr. Falken, .... would you like to play a game?"
[09:05]<@jacky> or whatever it is... something like that
[09:05]<@BC_Programming> War Games
[09:05]<@jacky> duhhh
[09:05]<@BC_Programming> yeah I was translating for camerongray
[09:05]<@jacky> oh
[09:05]<@BC_Programming> heh
[09:06]<+camerongray> Yeh - phones are insanely powerful nowadays
[09:06]<@jacky> he's that young??
[09:06]<@jacky> sigh
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> exactly
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> if we can get a 30 dollar cellphone with the power to play angry birds for like 30 dollars... why does a TI-83 calculator with a Z80 processor still cost over 100$?
[09:06]<@jacky> they still use the Z80 ?
[09:06]<@jacky> seriously??
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> well, for the TI-83
[09:06]<@jacky> well I'll be
[09:06]<@BC_Programming> yeah it's used in embedded electronics and stuff
[09:07]<+camerongray> But my TI-84 Plays "Block Dude" - The hours I've spent playing that
[09:07]<@jacky> didn't that chip come out... oh... 1984 or so?
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> yeah it's old
[09:07]<@jacky> I figured it was long gone
[09:07]<@jacky> what about the 8080
[09:07]<@jacky> ?
[09:07]<sonicrules1234> You can play mario on TI 83+
[09:07]<+camerongray> Yeh - My phone cost ?99 and has an app that does the same as my ?120 calculator :P
[09:07]<@BC_Programming> jacky: I believe so
[09:08]<@jacky> BC_Programming: believe what? that the 8080 is still around? or gone?
[09:08]<@BC_Programming> most of the older chips that used to be used on desktops but were replaced found use as things in... toasters and all that
[09:08]<@jacky> toasters... heh
[09:08]<@jacky> but, I get your meaning
[09:08]<@BC_Programming> toasters... bread makers... coffee makers... etc
[09:08]<@BC_Programming> after all those things don't need a quad core
[09:08]<@jacky> but when are they gonna invent the electric fork?
[09:08]<+camerongray> Wow - BC's right: "Like the TI-83 Plus Silver Edition, it features a 15 MHz Zilog Z80 processor, 24 kB user available RAM (the actual chip is 128 kB, but TI has yet to code support for the entire RAM into an OS)"
[09:08]<@jacky> the electric knife has been out for ages....
[09:09]<@BC_Programming> "BC's Right" you say that like you doubted me
[09:09]<@BC_Programming> heh
[09:09]<@jacky> even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes
[09:09]<@jacky> >g<
[09:09]<+camerongray> lol
[09:09]<@BC_Programming> touche
[09:10]<@jacky> I wonder if Ralphy ever tried to pick up a blind nutty squirrel?
[09:10]<@BC_Programming> ahh here we go: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/1996.png
[09:10]<@jacky> maybe that's what's wrong with him....
[09:10]<+camerongray> lol - The display isn't that bad :P
[09:11]<@BC_Programming> on the TI-83? compared to <cheaper> cellphones and MP3 players?
[09:11]<+camerongray> Oh yeh
[09:11]<+camerongray> They should make it colour :P
[09:11]<@BC_Programming> actually come to think of it, I think they may do a lot of that on purpose
[09:11]<+camerongray> Easier to tell which graph is which
[09:11]<@BC_Programming> after all, a TI-83 is a graphing calculator, not a gameboy
[09:12]<@BC_Programming> although it has picked up a second function as one, h eh
[09:12]<+camerongray> At the moment you can have a few patterns that usually all look the same unless you really fiddle with it
[09:12]<+camerongray> Yeh
[09:12]<sonicrules1234> You could play gameboy games on a TI-84 if you had enough memory
[09:12]<@BC_Programming> and it uses the same CPU
[09:12]<+camerongray> The hours I've spent trying to get my calculator off my friends so I can actually use it :P
[09:12]<sonicrules1234> My favorite is the TI-84+
[09:12]<@BC_Programming> I never actually had a TI-83 even though it was "required" for Math 12
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[09:13]<+camerongray> TI-84+ Silver Edition - You can change the covers! :P
[09:13]<+camerongray> Wasn't even needed for Higher here
[09:13]<+Mulreay> I once had a T1000 but he started killing the neighbours, so had to bin him
[09:13]<+camerongray> But I got it anyway - Useful for checking answers
[09:13]<@BC_Programming> mulreay: shame, those were really useful for mowign the lawn or cutting hedges
[09:14]<+camerongray> lol
[09:14]<+Mulreay> indeed
[09:14]<@BC_Programming> those kill saws really did the trick on my crabgrass
[09:14]<+Mulreay> lol
[09:14]<@jacky> this was my first calculator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI_SR-50
[09:14]<@jacky> I still have it, somewhere......
[09:14]<@BC_Programming> half of math 12 I swear we could have just used the calculator manual as a textbook
[09:15]<+camerongray> Sweet - I bet it cost a fortune :P
[09:15]<@jacky> $150.00
[09:15]<+camerongray> Wow
[09:15]<@BC_Programming> I basically had to learn what we were SUPPOSED to be learning on my own.
[09:15]<@jacky> hey... it had a MEMORY!
[09:15]<+camerongray> I actually have to carry the manual for mine around
[09:15]<@jacky> "a" being the opeative word here
[09:15]<+camerongray> lol
[09:16]<@BC_Programming> heh... my 10 dollar scientific is probably "better"
[09:16]<@jacky> the trig teacher wouldn't let me use it, until I'd proved I could do the work, using the tables in the back of the book
[09:16]<@BC_Programming> I use quotes because, I mean... they are calculators
[09:16]<@jacky> and extrapoliting by hand... is that the right word?
[09:16]<@BC_Programming> extrapolating?
[09:16]<@jacky> yes
[09:16]<@BC_Programming> yeah that's the problem now though, it's practically the opposite
[09:16]<+camerongray> lol
[09:16]<@jacky> eh?
[09:16]<@BC_Programming> I don't think half the class even understood what we were doing
[09:17]<@jacky> opposite of what?
[09:17]<@BC_Programming> well I mean you couldn't use the calc until you proved you knew the concepts and stuff
[09:17]<@jacky> of course
[09:17]<@jacky> I suspect they don't do that now
[09:17]<@jacky> do they?
[09:17]<@jacky> I mean... I talk to a lot of "dumb" young people anymore
[09:17]<@BC_Programming> nope... I had to actually learn what we were doing on my own... it was utterly ridiculous
[09:18]<+camerongray> We use calculators for everything now
[09:18]<@jacky> for simple things... multiplication and division... a friend of mine... his son is 21 ... he can't estimate things in his head
[09:18]<@BC_Programming> wow
[09:18]<@jacky> lord help him if he actually had to get an accurate answer, using pencil and paper
[09:18]<+camerongray> The only stuff in the non-calculator exam are things like factorizing and integrating
[09:19]<@jacky> I don't remember what factoring is
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[09:19]<@jacky> trying to remember integrating....
[09:19]<@jacky> nope... not getting there
[09:19]<sonicrules1234> Whee, I'm on chrome os :D
[09:19]<@jacky> been too long
[09:19]<@jacky> fille me in
[09:19]<@jacky> sonicrules1234: is it comfy?
[09:19]<+camerongray> lol - Factorizing is taking a long function and putting it into brackets
[09:19]<sonicrules1234> jacky: Sorta
[09:19]<@jacky> sonicrules1234: cool
[09:20]<+camerongray> Integrating is like the opposite of differentiating - Finds area under a graph
[09:20]<@BC_Programming> I can't remember, is factoring when you turn X squared + 6x +12 into (#+#)(#-#) or something?
[09:20]<+camerongray> Yepper
[09:20]<@jacky> camerongray: ok. vague... I'd have to see it. but ok
[09:20]<+camerongray> lol
[09:20]<@jacky> BC_Programming: isn't that just following the basic rules of math?
[09:20]<@jacky> exponents first
[09:20]<@jacky> then mult and div
[09:20]<@jacky> then add and sub
[09:20]<@jacky> ?
[09:20]<+camerongray> IIntegral Symbol: +
[09:20]<@BC_Programming> no it's a polynomial,
[09:21]<@jacky> camerongray: you are just showing off, because the rest of us don't know the alt code to make that char
[09:21]<@jacky> hehehe
[09:21]<@jacky> BC_Programming: polynomial... another term I remember. just the word... I can't remember what it is, or what to do with it
[09:21]<+camerongray> I googled it :P
[09:21]<@BC_Programming> I can't remember the specifics anymore, but with (x+a)(x+b) when you expanded it you got the polynomial, and when you "factored" it you went the other way
[09:21]<@jacky> that rings a bell
[09:21]<@jacky> tnx
[09:21]<@BC_Programming> and it was something like the two numbers had to add to one value and multiply to the other
[09:22]<@jacky> it was all fun and interesting, until I got to calculus
[09:22]<+camerongray> Multiple first numbers in each bracket, Multiply numbers on outsides of the bracket, Multiply numbers on inside of brackets, Multiply numbers last in each bracket
[09:22]<@jacky> looking back, I think what bugged me, is that there is not an exact answer
[09:23]<@BC_Programming> ooh you'd love quantum mechanics
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[09:23]<@BC_Programming> heh
[09:23]<+camerongray> (x+a)(x+b) would be something like x*x
[09:23]<@jacky> BC_Programming: no idea what it is.
[09:23]<+camerongray> then X*b
[09:23]<+camerongray> Then X*a
[09:23]<+Mulreay> Nobody loves quantum mechanics
[09:23]<+camerongray> Then a*b
[09:23]<+camerongray> lol
[09:23]<@jacky> Mulreay: hello
[09:23]<@jacky> pottsi: hello
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[09:23]<+Mulreay> hey jacky
[09:23]<@jacky> what is quantum mechanics?
[09:23]<+pottsi> hey jacky
[09:24]<+pottsi> it's nasty
[09:24]<+Mulreay> heh, explaining it is just as bad
[09:24]<@BC_Programming> jacky: it's mechanics
[09:24]<@BC_Programming> at a quantum level
[09:24]<@jacky> har
[09:24]<@BC_Programming> hope that clears it up
[09:24]<@jacky> gee.. thanks
[09:24]<@jacky> clear as mud
[09:24]<@BC_Programming> yw
[09:24]<+camerongray> Erm, Very small things?
[09:24]<@BC_Programming> yes camerongray
[09:24]<Serpent> I'd rather say "a*X" ;)
[09:24]<+camerongray> Yeh :P
[09:24]<@jacky> Serpent: No cussing!
[09:24]<@jacky> >g<
[09:24]<+camerongray> Hey Serpent
[09:24]<Serpent> the consequence, heheh
[09:25]<+camerongray> Oh yeh = I remember something odd
[09:25]<@BC_Programming> I think the real problem, now, is that normally with math as you learned more, you would keep reinforcing the basics, because you were just building atop them
[09:25]<@jacky> camerongray: Ralphy??
[09:25]<+camerongray> lol
[09:26]<@BC_Programming> now it's just "ok good you got the idea" and then get you to use the calc the rest of the time...
[09:26]<@jacky> BC_Programming: that is EXACTLY what I did/do.
[09:26]<+Mulreay> Just done a search on my site... nothing explaining quantum mechanics/physics... there's my evening filled
[09:26]<@BC_Programming> jacky: that's the way it should work
[09:26]<@jacky> BC_Programming: well said
[09:26]<+camerongray> I was being an idiot and put my bottle of water in my bag and it was open and pored all over my calculator, I didn't notice at first but it ran really slowly, and after I dried it - It was fine - Very odd
[09:26]<+camerongray> Hmm - Bold?
[09:26]<+camerongray> No idea how I did that
[09:26]<@jacky> camerongray: not at all
[09:26]<@BC_Programming> good
[09:27]<@jacky> camerongray: I've taken radios outside, and hosed them out
[09:27]<+camerongray> lol - No power attached
[09:27]<@jacky> the trick: no juice until it gets very dried out
[09:27]<+camerongray> But mine had batteries in it yet still worked
[09:27]<@jacky> that's luck
[09:27]<@BC_Programming> I borrowed a friends gameboy once and the batteries exploded
[09:27]<+camerongray> Yeh - I learned to put lids on bottles
[09:27]<@jacky> well... in truth... good fresh water is not all that great of a conductor
[09:28]<+camerongray> My wireless mouse did that
[09:28]<@jacky> corrosion and rust is a problem later though
[09:28]<@BC_Programming> jacky: nonsense! steam engines run on water!
[09:28]<@BC_Programming> they are... conductors... of the train
[09:28]<+camerongray> Was acting jumpy, then there was a big bang and a whole load of liquidy bubbly stuff poured out
[09:28]<+Mulreay> I lit an LED once, only using a length of wire... so there
[09:28]<@jacky> BC_Programming: and all things electronic run on smoke! true! so remember... never let the smoke out!
[09:28]<+camerongray> The negative cap blew off
[09:28]<+camerongray> lol - I blew up an led once :P
[09:29]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: oh crap... the megative cap blew off
[09:29]<@jacky> when you let the smoke out, they quit
[09:29]<@BC_Programming> bloody thing was probably cheery and bright-eyed the rest of the day
[09:29]<@BC_Programming> all it had left was it's positive side
[09:29]<+Mulreay> megative cap? Wow that's one hell of a cap
[09:29]<@BC_Programming> yes
[09:29]<+camerongray> lol
[09:29]<@BC_Programming> but I don't usually wear hats myself
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[09:31]<@jacky> looking for our caps, to replace them....
[09:32]<@jacky> look at Serpent! now THAT is exhausted
[09:32]<@BC_Programming> yeah I think I filled my pun quota
[09:32]<@BC_Programming> it's a condition of my punroll
[09:32]<sonicrules1234> Using chrome OS is fun
[09:32]<@jacky> using others is not?
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[09:32]<sonicrules1234> But the stuff at google I/O doesn't work :(
[09:32]<+Mulreay> Do you get a bonus for over-quota.. or do you get fined?
[09:33]<@BC_Programming> Mulreay: never asked
[09:33]<sonicrules1234> jacky: This is just fun because is new
[09:33]<@jacky> sonicrules1234: :)
[09:33]<sonicrules1234> Anyways, I think I'm about to overheat, so I'm gonna shut down
[09:33]<@jacky> Mulreay: it is a Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hyde thing. (he might turn into Ralpy)
[09:33]<sonicrules1234> bbs
[09:33]<@BC_Programming> But there is no way I'm going back to punitentiary
[09:33]<+Mulreay> No more puns for bc then
[09:34]<@jacky> BC_Programming: if you stay on your meds, you've been ok since the last time you got out.
[09:34]<@jacky> right?
[09:34]<+camerongray> Sonic - What build are you using?
[09:34]<+camerongray> I use the Hexxeh Vanilla oned
[09:34]<+camerongray> ones*
[09:34]<@BC_Programming> "Chocolate's getting old, Vanilla just leaves me cooooold"
[09:35]<+Mulreay> Do we always have to have these conversations turn into a talk about computers I mean sheesh guys lets stay on topic for F's sake
[09:35]<@BC_Programming> oh sorry
[09:35]<@BC_Programming> oh wait I wasn't talking about computers
[09:35]<@BC_Programming> whew
[09:35]<+Mulreay> your safe
[09:35]<@BC_Programming> ugh
[09:35]<@BC_Programming> what about it?
[09:35]<+Mulreay> ahh, I see what you did there
[09:35]<+camerongray> Yay - Weird Al
[09:36]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: indeed
[09:36]<+camerongray> I need to get more of his songs
[09:36]<+camerongray> Not got that many
[09:36]<@BC_Programming> I have all of them... that I know of
[09:36]<@BC_Programming> let's see here
[09:36]<+Mulreay> me too
[09:36]<+camerongray> I'll check
[09:37]<+camerongray> Battery is dead :P
[09:37]<+camerongray> We shall never know :P
[09:37]<@BC_Programming> 8 albums, 91 tracks
[09:37]<+camerongray> I'll check my phone
[09:37]<+camerongray> All my music is on my ThinkPad and that is too far away for me to reach :P
[09:38]<@BC_Programming> this is a job for your reaching broom
[09:38]<+camerongray> Found it
[09:38]<@BC_Programming> your reaching broom? good
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[09:38]<+Mulreay> heh, I need one of them
[09:39]<+Mulreay> but then again most of my stuff is littered around me... Note to self: Must tidy
[09:39]<+camerongray> Canadian Idiot, Gump, I Love Rocky Road, It's All About the Pentiums, Jerry Springer, Trapped in the Drive Thru, White and Nerdy
[09:39]<@BC_Programming> that's it?
[09:39]<+camerongray> Yepper
[09:39]<@BC_Programming> wow
[09:39]<@BC_Programming> you really are missing out there
[09:39]<+camerongray> I normally use spotify
[09:39]<+Mulreay> Not often people can say, 'I can reach my soldering iron whilst in bed'.
[09:40]<+camerongray> I lost mine
[09:40]<+camerongray> Then I found it and it was all rusty
[09:40]<@BC_Programming> I always keep mine under my pillow
[09:40]<+Mulreay> lol
[09:40]<@BC_Programming> in case the lead poisoning fairy comes to visit
[09:40]<+camerongray> Just the tip bit but it's stuck on so I can't get it off
[09:40]<+camerongray> Need to get a new one - Not super-expensive
[09:40]<+Mulreay> wire brush, or buy a new tip
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> mines some cheap crappy thing that came with some overpriced kit of crap
[09:41]<+camerongray> Yeh - stuck on
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> the only thing I use semi-regularly from that is the multimeter really
[09:41]<+camerongray> lol - I've got a 25w Antex one
[09:41]<+Mulreay> I have about 6 different iron tips, will DCC you one
[09:41]<+camerongray> lol
[09:41]<+camerongray> Never really used it :P
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> yeah I don't think I could do proper electronics soldering with it
[09:42]<@BC_Programming> well I tried to solder a USB key back together
[09:42]<+Mulreay> I was quite good at soldering at school
[09:42]<@BC_Programming> it worked if I held it together manually
[09:42]<@BC_Programming> it stopped working after I soldered the connector back on
[09:42]<@BC_Programming> good thing it was only a 128MB one
[09:42]<@jacky> just curious... this being normally a computer convesation... what do you fellows use a soldering iron for?
[09:43]<@BC_Programming> I burn holes in things
[09:43]<+Mulreay> I fixed my audio jack on this laptop
[09:43]<@jacky> Mulreay: ok
[09:43]<@jacky> BC_Programming: ha
[09:43]<+camerongray> I really only make little things with it - Like a little amplifier thing - My RAID card couldn't provide enough current for my case's blue HDD LED
[09:43]<@BC_Programming> I'm not even making that up, that's really the only thing I've done with it, bastardized an old 5-1/2" floppy case to try to make a big hard drive enclosure
[09:43]<@jacky> camerongray: interesting. did you design the amp yourself?
[09:44]<+camerongray> Jusr an op-amp
[09:44]<+camerongray> Just*
[09:44]<@jacky> BC_Programming: creative
[09:44]<@jacky> camerongray; interesting
[09:44]<+camerongray> Done stuff with them in school
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> took the insides out of a enclosure and was able to use it for two drives at once, put a fan inside, etc
[09:44]<@jacky> BC_Programming: cool
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> but, it ended up being too bulky...
[09:45]<+Mulreay> I made a house alarm in school... and it worked..drove my parents mad with it.. had it on my bedroom door
[09:45]<@BC_Programming> so I just put the old enclosure back together and use it that way
[09:45]<@jacky> the trick: a well tinned tip
[09:45]<+camerongray> Did it as a comparitor so it would trigger the LED when it received an input from the RAID card
[09:45]<@jacky> heat that sucker up, and clean it, clean it, clean it. then tin it
[09:45]<+camerongray> Don't use it now - Switched to SATA drives
[09:45]<@jacky> camerongray: I've only played with them, and that was ages ago
[09:45]<+camerongray> lol
[09:46]<+camerongray> Probably could have done something a lot simpler but the op-amp worked :P
[09:46]<@BC_Programming> oh yeah I rigged the detector thing in a floppy that detects whether the inserted disk is 720K or 1.44MB to a switch
[09:46]<+camerongray> Next I need to do some thing that closes the blinds automatically - That could be complicated :P
[09:46]<@jacky> camerongray: you wanted a project, to even do that! most of us would have done without a working led.
[09:46]<@BC_Programming> all 720K disks instantly became 1.44MB!
[09:46]<+camerongray> lol
[09:46]<@jacky> heh
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> it was true, they worked fine as 1.44MB disks
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> it was a huge conspiracy I tells u
[09:47]<+camerongray> I'm thinking a microcontroller that detects light level through an LDR and depending on light it turns the motor one way or the other to open or close the blinds
[09:47]<@jacky> all you need was a byte squeezer
[09:47]<+camerongray> I'll do it time based so will plug the whole thing into one of those mains timers
[09:48]<+camerongray> The LDR is really to decide direction
[09:48]<@BC_Programming> I'm not very good with low level electronics personally
[09:48]<@jacky> what is ldr
[09:48]<+camerongray> Light Dependant Resistor
[09:48]<@jacky> resistor.. ah
[09:48]<@BC_Programming> photoresistor?
[09:48]<+camerongray> Probably
[09:49]<@jacky> BC_Programming: I bet you would like it. electronic stuff is fascinating
[09:49]<@BC_Programming> I built a blinking light in tech
[09:49]<+camerongray> For me it's try it and if it goes bang, you did it wrong
[09:49]<@jacky> camerongray: your pocketbook will eventually limit that
[09:49]<@jacky> heheeh
[09:49]<+camerongray> lol
[09:49]<@jacky> you don't do that, with tubes that cost $500 each
[09:50]<@BC_Programming> you know what might be fun
[09:50]<@BC_Programming> buy a clapper
[09:50]<@jacky> (here we go)
[09:50]<@BC_Programming> and put it in a server room
[09:50]<+camerongray> lol
[09:50]<@BC_Programming> it's like the perfect prank
[09:51]<+camerongray> I could do that at school - All I need to say is that i need a mop and sneak into the cleaner's cupboard
[09:51]<+camerongray> That is really where they keep the servers
[09:51]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[09:51]<@BC_Programming> but you'll need a good reason to get the mop
[09:52]<@BC_Programming> I know! cut your arm off
[09:52]<+camerongray> lool
[09:52]<@jacky> in days gone by, when people still listened to the radio... a friend of mine built a little oscillator. tunable. output was in the FM radio band. Small.. fit in his shirt pocket. When at work, if he didn't like the music you put on the radio, it would just turn to a quite hiss, whenever he walked into the room. :)
[09:52]<@BC_Programming> oh wait.. no.. I was going to say you could probably borrow Grahams killbot...
[09:52]<+camerongray> lol - That sounds quite clevers
[09:52]<@jacky> yep
[09:52]<+camerongray> You seen the TVBeGone?
[09:52]<@jacky> took his bosses sons a while to figure it out, too
[09:53]<+camerongray> lol
[09:53]<@BC_Programming> radio..
[09:54]<@BC_Programming> I'd sit alone, and watch your light, My only friend, through teenage nights
[09:54]<@BC_Programming> and everything, I had to know, I heard it on my radio
[09:54]<@BC_Programming> you gave them all, those old time stars, Through wars of worlds - invaded by Mars
[09:54]<@BC_Programming> and all that
[09:55]<@jacky> heh
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[09:55]<+camerongray> hey Tux
[09:55]<@BC_Programming> oh quiet
[09:55]<@BC_Programming> he's here
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[09:56]<Tux2> Hi camerongray
[09:56]<Tux2> lol, quiet about what?
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[09:57]<@BC_Programming> oh hey tux
[09:57]<@BC_Programming> how are things
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[09:57]<@BC_Programming> that's right stranger, you just leave
[09:57]<Tux2> Pretty good.
[09:57]<Tux2> lol, that was me, seeing if it had any scrollback..
[09:57]<@BC_Programming> haha
[09:58]<Tux2> !last
[09:58]<Tux2> lol, does ChanbotIV do scrollback still?>
[09:58]<sonicrules1234> I'm pretty sure it does
[09:58]<sonicrules1234> I
[09:58]<@BC_Programming> rerun still works
[09:58]<@jacky> try /msg chanbotIV !rerun
[09:58]<sonicrules1234> 've just forgotten the command
[09:58]<sonicrules1234> Yeah
[09:59]<sonicrules1234> For sonicbot it's >context
[10:00]<Tux2> lol... not enough scrollback though...
[10:00]<Tux2> Oh well...
[10:00]<@BC_Programming> good.. I mean... a shame!
[10:00]<Tux2> tee hee
[10:04]<+camerongray> You can do !rerun 40 to go back 40 lines
[10:04]<sonicrules1234> How far back can it go?
[10:04]<+camerongray> 40 lines
[10:04]<sonicrules1234> Ah
[10:06]<Tux2> lol, busted...
[10:07]<+camerongray> Hahaha - You so be being an electronics geek then? :P
[10:07]<@jacky> who?
[10:08]<+camerongray> lol - typing and watching TV at the same time fail
[10:08]<+camerongray> You saw me*
[10:09]<@jacky> can you walk and chew gum at the same time?
[10:09]<+Mulreay> lol, no that'swhy he has holes in the knees, of his pants
[10:10]<@BC_Programming> I tried that once. ended up with a shoe in my mouth and gum on my feet
[10:10]<@jacky> but no cavities, eh?
[10:10]<+Mulreay> lol
[10:10]<@BC_Programming> the doctors have no idea how it happened
[10:10]<+Mulreay> jacky when you have time at some point, having some trouble with mIRC if you have the time and patience of course
[10:10]<@jacky> sure
[10:10]<@jacky> what's it doing to you?
[10:11]<@jacky> I doubt I'm the only one using mirc...
[10:11]<@jacky> am I?
[10:11]<@BC_Programming> no
[10:11]<@BC_Programming> I'm using it atm as well
[10:11]<+camerongray> lol - I'm more useless at things like walking and texting
[10:11]<@jacky> BC_Programming: somehow, I thought you were primarily a linux person
[10:11]<@BC_Programming> jacky: no, main OS is win7
[10:11]<@jacky> oh
[10:12]<@BC_Programming> my desktop only has windows, my laptop has linux as the primary OS :P
[10:12]<@jacky> you'll have to remind me of that a dozen times then, before it sticks
[10:12]<@BC_Programming> np
[10:12]<@jacky> maybe that is where I got my wires crossed up
[10:13]<Tux2> lol
[10:13]<+camerongray> lol - I use everything
[10:13]<+camerongray> Desktop is Win7 and Linux
[10:13]<+camerongray> Server is Windows
[10:13]<+camerongray> ThinkPad is Win7 and linux
[10:14]<+camerongray> MacBook is... well... MacOS
[10:14]<@BC_Programming> no it isn't
[10:14]<@BC_Programming> it's max OS X
[10:14]<+camerongray> Netbook is Chrome OS
[10:14]<@BC_Programming> mac*
[10:14]<+camerongray> lol
[10:14]<@BC_Programming> Mac OS != Mac OSX :P
[10:14]<+camerongray> lol
[10:14]<+camerongray> I could put windows on it to be ironic
[10:15]<+camerongray> But I think using it to charge my Zune is enough
[10:15]<@BC_Programming> am I the only one who prefers Mac OS classic over OSX?
[10:15]<Tux2> lol, don't mess it up with windows, put debian on it!
[10:15]<+camerongray> lol
[10:15]<@BC_Programming> actually that reminds me I wanted to find an emulator to use Mac OS 8.6 for no reason
[10:16]<Tux2> I think there is one out there...
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> PearPC I believe
[10:16]<Tux2> Yup
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> just haven't bothered to much with it... or maybe I already did and forgot about it
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> I do that sometimes
[10:16]<Tux2> lol
[10:16]<+camerongray> PearPC doesn;t do classic
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> oh
[10:16]<+camerongray> You'd need SheepShaver for PPC
[10:17]<@BC_Programming> well I do have something that can run Mac OS 7
[10:17]<@BC_Programming> before Appearance manager
[10:17]<@BC_Programming> there were two colors
[10:17]<@BC_Programming> black
[10:17]<@BC_Programming> and white
[10:18]<+camerongray> Woo - More Some Mothers do 'ave em is on
[10:19]<@BC_Programming> I have no idea what that show is
[10:19]<@BC_Programming> but my supervisor says that all the time
[10:19]<@BC_Programming> she's a brit who emigrated here in 1992 btw
[10:20]<+camerongray> It's from the '70s I think
[10:20]<+camerongray> Mulreay will know it
[10:21]<+camerongray> Here is one of my favourite episodes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgMxMGpRHts
[10:21]<+camerongray> Frank reminds me of... me
[10:21]<@BC_Programming> I wonder if she got the quote from that show then
[10:21]<@BC_Programming> I'll have to ask
[10:22]<+camerongray> lol - You should watch it
[10:22]<@BC_Programming> or, I could just read notalwaysright.com
[10:23]<+camerongray> lol
[10:23]<Tux2> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1022&t=138706
[10:23]<@BC_Programming> cool
[10:24]<@BC_Programming> that reminds me of some improvements I thought of for my colour counter for wool pixel art in minecraft
[10:24]<@BC_Programming> rather then you giving it a picture and it figuring out the colours needed
[10:25]<@BC_Programming> I was thinking you could give it a bunch of pictures, and then tell the program what you have in the ways of wool and dyes, and it could tell you what you can create
[10:26]<Tux2> Hmmm... interesting. :D
[10:26]<@BC_Programming> or, instead of you telling it what you have, it could also just read the level.dat for a world and figure it out itself, or something
[10:28]<Tux2> :) Now you are getting creative. ;)
[10:28]<Tux2> Oh, I also added an antixray mod to the server last night/
[10:28]<@BC_Programming> cool
[10:29]<Tux2> Which means if you mine without torches, you aren't going to find anything but stone
[10:29]<@BC_Programming> how does that work?
[10:29]<Tux2> If light hits a block with ore in it, it will change to the proper ore
[10:30]<+camerongray> cool
[10:30]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[10:30]<Tux2> I used ellian detector and it just showed stone miles around...
[10:30]<@BC_Programming> that may make spelunking desert caves somewhat annoying tho
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[10:30]<Tux2> lol, if you have light then you can see it...
[10:30]<@BC_Programming> normally you can tell from quite a distance "oooh that's a diamond cavern"
[10:31]<+camerongray> Why not if it's exposed
[10:31]<+camerongray> So hidden in walls, it can't be seen with xray
[10:31]<Tux2> That's coming in a later version.
[10:31]<+camerongray> Cool
[10:31]<Tux2> http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/sec-antixray-v0-5-21-protecting-ore-from-xray-mod-and-transparent-texturepacks-740.12527/
[10:32]<@BC_Programming> nice
[10:32]<+camerongray> Aww - But the ellian detector
[10:33]<@BC_Programming> I never got that to work
[10:33]<+camerongray> I'm setting it up now
[10:33]<@BC_Programming> besides with the desert worlds, it's soooo unnecessary
[10:34]<Tux2> lol, yeah
[10:34]<Tux2> I use ellian more for it's maps of underground passages and locations of lava than anything else though...
[10:35]<@BC_Programming> yeah that could be useful for those desert world dungeons
[10:37]<Tux2> lol, yup
[10:38]<Tux2> how are you enjoying the new desert world BC_Programming?
[10:38]<@BC_Programming> very nice, built a mining base
[10:38]<@BC_Programming> everybody visited, the caverns are deep and mob filled
[10:39]<@BC_Programming> devilboy died a few times
[10:39]<@BC_Programming> there is a LOT of gold in there
[10:40]<@BC_Programming> I've found it more lucrative to find a volcano that has a dungeon entrance inside, and just dig beneath it's floor, because that always goes into a cavern
[10:53]<+camerongray> Just got the mineral detector working
[10:54]<+camerongray> Works well
[10:54]<+camerongray> But that mod stops it finding lots of stuff :P
[10:56]<@BC_Programming> that's kind of what it's for
[10:56]<+camerongray> lol
[11:01]<+camerongray> erm - I'm sort of dying in MC
[11:01]<+camerongray> Stuck under a pile of sand
[11:01]<@BC_Programming> break it...
[11:01]<+camerongray> Dying to fast :P
[11:02]<+camerongray> SAved myself
[11:12]<+camerongray> How do the anvils work for repairing diamond?
[11:12]<+camerongray> It says I'm not adept enough
[11:12]<@BC_Programming> you need to be a higher level
[11:12]<Tux2> You have to repair iron, stone and wood tools a lot to increase your ability before you can repair diamond
[11:12]<+camerongray> Ahh
[11:13]<Tux2> lol BC_Programming. Your methods are very lucrative it seems. ;)
[11:14]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[11:14]<@BC_Programming> oh wait did I forget to lock a chest?
[11:31]<Tux2> tee hee...
[11:50]<Tux2> https://github.com/Tux2/ClayGen
[12:42]<+Mulreay> I feel that downloading 52gb/s of a TV series may have been a mistake
[12:45]<+camerongray> I agree :P
[12:45]<@BC_Programming> what TV series
[12:45]<+Mulreay> I feel too ashamed to mention
[12:54]<+camerongray> Tux2: Greifer alert
[12:54]<@BC_Programming> hey come on now
[12:54]<@BC_Programming> that was @ mulreay
[12:54]<+camerongray> The bridge behind my house on Craig's map has gone
[12:54]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: I noticed that earlier
[12:54]<@BC_Programming> looks like somebody took out an entire block...
[12:55]<@BC_Programming> look under water... one of the tunnels is farked as well
[12:55]<+camerongray> crap
[12:55]<+camerongray> I knew there was someone
[12:55]<@BC_Programming> Graham: come on man we're all friends here
[12:55]<@BC_Programming> I mean I like MLP
[12:55]<@BC_Programming> that's the cool way of saying it
[12:56]<+Mulreay> heh
[12:57]<+Mulreay> I downloaded 6 seasons of 'LOST' with all extras and in HD... please formulate a
[12:57]<+Mulreay> oops#
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[12:57]<+camerongray> Wow - It's worse than I thought
[12:57]<@BC_Programming> ohhhh
[12:58]<+camerongray> Yep Tux2 It's your tunnel
[12:58]<+Mulreay> I was going to say 'please form an orderly queue behind the gun site'.
[12:58]<@BC_Programming> graham: you know why they call it lost
[12:58]<@BC_Programming> because that's how viewers feel if they miss an episode
[12:59]<+camerongray> I'll try and fix the tunnel
[12:59]<@BC_Programming> tux2 could just undo it...
[12:59]<+camerongray> Cool
[12:59]<+camerongray> Can we see who did it too?
[13:00]<+Mulreay> Yeah your never gonna get a line like 'please form an orderly queue behind the gun site' from anything other than Red Dwarf...
[13:00]<+Mulreay> I ran out ofstuff to watch
[13:01]<+Mulreay> I thought hay there's 6 seasons of lost... why the hell not
[13:01]<+Mulreay> I was not thinking
[13:01]<+Mulreay> I was setting myself up
[13:03]<@BC_Programming> it's ok
[13:03]<@BC_Programming> happens to the best of us
[13:03]<+Mulreay> I feel soiled
[13:04]<@BC_Programming> don't worru
[13:04]<@BC_Programming> worry*
[13:04]<@BC_Programming> you'll feel better after I upload this video
[13:04]<+camerongray> I wonder how someone could do this - Huge hole
[13:04]<+Mulreay> Only if it has ponies in it
[13:04]<@BC_Programming> yes
[13:04]<@BC_Programming> ponies
[13:04]<@BC_Programming> I need pictures
[13:05]<@BC_Programming> pictures of ponies
[13:05]<+Mulreay> BC_Programming your gonna LOVE this... and I swear it's the truth
[13:05]<@BC_Programming> actually naw I'm continuing that "do a terrible video editing job of some clips from the show and shoehorn a queen song in there" thing
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[13:06]<+Mulreay> My nephew in Australia wants a 'pony' from 'MLP'. Just speaking to my Mum earlier I said, 'Call him a Broni' and then explain... it was funnier when I said it to my Mum
[13:07]<+Mulreay> That is 100% true
[13:07]<@BC_Programming> cool
[13:07]<@BC_Programming> obviously it's spelled Brony but... yeah
[13:07]<+Mulreay> Ok will not be ringing her to change that
[13:07]<@BC_Programming> well I assumed you just spoke it
[13:08]<@BC_Programming> it's a mix of "bro" and pony rite
[13:08]<+Mulreay> Well actually she said 'bronie' but yeah I agreed
[13:08]<@BC_Programming> oh that works to I think
[13:09]<+Mulreay> She knows it's about 'bro's' and 'Ponies'
[13:09]<@BC_Programming> yeah that's the important bit I imagine
[13:10]<Tux2> BC_Programming, yeah, I'll see what I can do... could also be a chunk error...
[13:10]<+Mulreay> She found it funny, I like it... that's all that matters really
[13:10]<+camerongray> Sonic's tunnel also seems to have been part filled in
[13:10]<Tux2> I still have the original files that craig sent me though so if anything i can mcedit it back in.
[13:11]<+camerongray> Cool
[13:12]<+camerongray> Can you tell who did it?
[13:12]<@BC_Programming> it looked like a block was replaced with water and air or something
[13:13]<+camerongray> And someone's mine has been flooded
[13:13]<+camerongray> Looking to see who's
[13:13]<@BC_Programming> wait a minute it was only a relatively small patch near the bridge that was "watered" iirc
[13:13]<Tux2> Yeah, probably a chunk error... there's a chunk missing out of a vacant house on the main map...
[13:13]<+camerongray> It's your's Tux
[13:14]<Tux2> Hmm.... It'll get fixed, just need to do it in MCedit... it's on craig's map, right?
[13:14]<+camerongray> Water going from part way down the stairs to the room with the chests
[13:14]<+camerongray> Yep
[13:14]<Tux2> got it.
[13:17]<+camerongray> Is there any way to see who did it?
[13:17]<Tux2> Yes, if it isn't a chunk error I have a complete log.
[13:18]<Tux2> Logging in right now.
[13:21]<Tux2> chunk error.
[13:21]<+camerongray> cool
[13:22]<+camerongray> I wonder what the flood was
[13:22]<Tux2> dunno...
[13:22]<Tux2> I plugged the hole though...
[13:22]<+camerongray> cool
[13:22]<Tux2> I'll be using MCedit to fix the stuff that needs to be fixed like the bridge and stuff though.
[13:23]<+camerongray> cool
[13:23]<+camerongray> Yeh - You could just fill the hole and re-dig the bit of the tunnel
[13:23]<Tux2> lol, yeah, probably not big enough for MCedit
[13:24]<Tux2> for the bridge I'll just spawn some cobble and rebuild it looking at it in Singleplayer
[13:24]<+camerongray> cool
[13:25]<Tux2> Yeah, I'm looking at some way of doing some other types of backups with the worlds so when the power goes out this doesn't happen again...
[13:25]<Tux2> (the world does back up every night at 3:00AM though.
[13:26]<Tux2> I just want something like 15 minute backups, and hourly backups that get deleted on a different schedule.
[13:32]<+Mulreay> http://spaceandscience.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=836:paradox&catid=62:funarticlescatfirst
[13:32]<+Mulreay> I like this
[13:33]<@BC_Programming> heh
[13:33]<@BC_Programming> "your mission: fail this mission"
[13:33]<+Mulreay> exactly
[13:35]<+Mulreay> I like paradoxes... I have a rather weird ability to examine them
[13:39]<+Mulreay> One of the early versions is the Chicken and the Egg.. that is quite easy if you think about it
[13:40]<@BC_Programming> well yeah
[13:40]<@BC_Programming> it was neither, it was the bear in the green suit first
[13:40]<@BC_Programming> but that's just common sense
[13:40]<+Mulreay> OK, I would have to disagree
[13:41]<+Mulreay> It came from the egg... it's quite and not so simple at the same time.. but I can explain
[13:42]<@BC_Programming> you know what came before them tho
[13:42]<@BC_Programming> ponies
[13:42]<+Mulreay> lol
[13:42]<@BC_Programming> ugh
[13:42]<@BC_Programming> I can't seem to make a "highlight reel"
[13:42]<+Mulreay> I'm being drawn in... and I eally liked the videos.. but came at the wrong time
[13:42]<@BC_Programming> stupid pinnacle studio
[13:43]<Tux2> It actually depends on your world view. Evolution: egg. Creation: chicken
[13:43]<+Mulreay> No Tux2
[13:43]<+Mulreay> no no no
[13:43]<Tux2> Okay, explain
[13:43]<+Mulreay> If one must
[13:43]<+Mulreay> heh
[13:43]<@BC_Programming> a persons world view can't change known facts.
[13:44]<@BC_Programming> graham: what videos?
[13:47]<+camerongray> Well - evolution would be "cell" :P
[13:47]<+camerongray> I think
[13:47]<Tux2> BC_Programming, not trying to pick a fight, just a friendly banter, but which known facts are you talking about?
[13:48]<@BC_Programming> known facts was perhaps not the correct wording
[13:48]<@BC_Programming> established theories; evolution
[13:48]<+Mulreay> OK everything in humans starts as an egg and a sperm.. but then you have to think 'What is an egg?' The egg is the part of a body that gets 'fertalised' not going for spelling... from another part. The 'egg' is a simple cell that is injected by another 'cell (sperm) and the two parts of DNA and the such create a chemicle situation where they join.
[13:48]<@BC_Programming> the only thing creationists do to prove "intelligent design" is basically just poking holes in well established scientific methods
[13:49]<@BC_Programming> "OMG! carbon dating doesn't work on this particular kind of basalt therefore there never were dinosaurs!" type of thing
[13:49]<Tux2> there were dinosaurs, they just went extinct several thousand years ago, according to creationists.
[13:49]<+Mulreay> Thousand?
[13:50]<+Mulreay> Really?
[13:50]<@BC_Programming> mulreay: yes
[13:50]<Tux2> Yes, thousand.
[13:50]<+camerongray> lol - I remember sitting in Physics and someone mentioned Evolution and one of my friends had this full on debate with the person next to him that evolution was fake :P
[13:50]<+Mulreay> There are ones alive now
[13:50]<+camerongray> Crocodiles
[13:50]<Tux2> Creationists believe that the earth was created only 6 to 7 thousand years ago.
[13:51]<+Mulreay> Tortoise, the Croc, alligator
[13:51]<+camerongray> You better have appreciated that - In typing my Magnum fell off it's stick and is now all over the keyboard :P
[13:51]<+Mulreay> Birds
[13:51]<@BC_Programming> thus the problem, because carbon dating and other dating methods finds dinosaurs and other animals living millions of years ago
[13:51]<@BC_Programming> Mulreay: birds, crocodiles, alligators, and tortoises are no more dinosaurs then you and me are bacteriums
[13:52]<Tux2> Those methods also assume that the carbon in the air is a constant and not subject to change.
[13:52]<@BC_Programming> Tux2: what?
[13:52]<@BC_Programming> you don't know how carbon dating works...
[13:52]<+Mulreay> Ihave NO idea why creationists have that problem... it's there problem not mine..
[13:52]<Tux2> Carbon dating works based on how much carbon is present in a sample
[13:53]<@BC_Programming> it measures the decay of Carbon-14 which is radioactive, as long as an animal is alive and "replenishing" it's carbon content, there will always be a certain amount of carbon-14 relative to carbon-12 as a result of bodily processes
[13:53]<@BC_Programming> when an animal dies, that carbon-14 continues to decay, and has a certain half-life
[13:54]<+Mulreay> Tux2 are you a creationist? just so I know... and you believe that life started about 4000 yrs ago
[13:54]<@BC_Programming> therefore, knowing the percentage of carbon-14 that the animal had when it died, and the amount of carbon-14 that it has at the time it is tested, it's possible to see how long ago the creature died
[13:55]<@BC_Programming> although I don't think carbon-14 dating is accurate past a few million years... for stuff like dinosaurs they use something else I think
[13:55]<@BC_Programming> by accurate I mean it's more difficult to get an accurate measurement since the remaining amount of carbon-14 is so low
[13:56]<+Mulreay> I'm slightly bothered about this
[13:56]<@BC_Programming> oh wait it's 60,000 years is the approx limit of measurement
[13:57]<@BC_Programming> but let's assume that somehow the results saying that there were creatures living in the upper scale of that limit were skewed by somehow the atmosphere having a lot more or a lot less nitrogen
[13:58]<+Mulreay> I don'tget this...
[13:58]<@BC_Programming> if it had a lot more nitrogen, then the creatures would have actually died with <more> carbon-14 then is being used to estimate their age, thus they would be older; but if there was less nitrogen they would in fact be younger
[13:58]<@BC_Programming> but the question I think would be where all the nitrogen we now have in the atmosphere cam from in the meantime
[13:59]<Tux2> Mulreay, see PM
[13:59]<Tux2> Good questions BC_Programming :)
[13:59]<+Mulreay> More Nitrogen would possibibly mean less oxy
[14:00]<@BC_Programming> but- if that's the case, what happened to that nitrogen?
[14:00]<+Mulreay> We would have a massive increase in pressure
[14:00]<@jacky> be back later
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[14:01]<@BC_Programming> pressure?
[14:01]<@BC_Programming> well I mean, let's work backwards
[14:02]<@BC_Programming> let's assume, for the moment, that the value used for the "constant" proportion of Carbon-14 that we are aware of being in living animals today was different then
[14:03]<Tux2> So, if creation was correct, there was alot less nitrogen in the atmosphere than there is today.
[14:03]<@BC_Programming> No, that's a false dichotomy
[14:03]<Tux2> Okay, so explain.
[14:04]<@BC_Programming> working backwards from that, we have to say that there was more nitrogen to react with cosmic rays from the sun, as we know the reaction that creates carbon-14 takes place now by cosmic rays interacting with nitrogen in the troposphere
[14:05]<Tux2> so basically the sun converts nitrogen into carbon-14?
[14:05]<Tux2> In the upper atmosphere?
[14:06]<@BC_Programming> no, cosmic rays. background radiation from the universe.
[14:06]<Tux2> ah, got it. :D
[14:07]<@BC_Programming> as such in order for the animals that have been perceived in the upper region of carbon-14's limit of approx 60,000 years for accurate readings to be younger then we are perceiving, then indeed there would have had to be more nitrogen in the air at the time in order for the animals who died then to have a higher proportion of carbon-14 to normal carbon in their bodies compared to today
[14:07]<@BC_Programming> so, answering directly- yes, if creation was correct, there was a lot less nitrogen in the atmosphere than there is today
[14:08]<@BC_Programming> however, that only essentially hand-waves radiocarbon dating; there is also potassium argon dating, using Potassium-40
[14:08]<@BC_Programming> it's a radioactive isotope of potassium that decays into argon
[14:10]<Tux2> and it is also a constant in living things? (Sorry for the noobish questions, I didn't take science this far...)
[14:10]<@BC_Programming> no no
[14:10]<@BC_Programming> this isn't living things
[14:10]<+Mulreay> The reason that the world is not a few thousand years old is simple... You are not smart enough if that was the thought and I would not be digging up you ancestors. I like how you feel the knowledge comes from a word like 'knowledge' if that what you believe is true... that word would not exIST. and everything I tell you now means nothing as English has not been invented and never will be,
[14:10]<+Mulreay> a language of over 400,000 words at your time could never become anything with people just nodding at each other... your mistaken.
[14:10]<@BC_Programming> this is more for rocks and stuff, but U'm getting to that
[14:11]<+Mulreay> Sorry I typed fast and got angry
[14:12]<Tux2> sorry Mulreay, I don't want to start an argument... :(
[14:12]<+Mulreay> I don't care, on;y the person who cares will start an argument
[14:12]<@BC_Programming> I'll be honest, that's you in this case. I don't see him trying to start anything at all
[14:13]<@BC_Programming> basically just asking for information
[14:13]<+Mulreay> Yeah I admit, I'm sorry
[14:13]<@BC_Programming> anyway, so Argon, being a noble gas, doesn't react with anything
[14:14]<@BC_Programming> by taking some types of volcanic rock and measuring the amount of argon contained within and the amount of potassium-40, and using the half-life, one can extrapolate when that volcanic rock solidifed
[14:14]<+Mulreay> Or 'I like 'Krypton'
[14:15]<Tux2> What types of volcanic rock can you do it on?
[14:15]<+Mulreay> I'm not hear to annoy people... I'm done with what;s right and wrong
[14:15]<@BC_Programming> I'm not sure tux2, I only know that there is one specific type that it's unreliable on, but I forget which, I think it was some kind of basalt
[14:16]<@BC_Programming> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium-argon_dating ahh there we go
[14:16]<Tux2> :D
[14:17]<@BC_Programming> it says mica's, clay minerals, tephra, and evaporites
[14:17]<@BC_Programming> that page explains it a hell of a lot better then I could
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[14:20]<Tux2> lol, surprisingly I understand it.
[14:22]<Tux2> Looking towards the end it looks like there needs to be 2 things that have to be assumed about the rock..
[14:23]<Tux2> basically no extra pressure or other external things happening when the rock is cooling.
[14:24]<@BC_Programming> except, that sort of thing would just make it seem "younger" when measured
[14:25]<Tux2> Very interesting.
[14:26]<sonicrules1234> That's an idea, volcanoes in minecraft
[14:27]<Tux2> lol, that could easily be a server mod in minecraft
[14:28]<sonicrules1234> I'd think it would be way too destructive though
[14:28]<Tux2> first a crack with fire, then it builds into a volcano with lava spewing everywhere.
[14:29]<Tux2> brb
[14:31]<Tux2> lol, there would have to be plenty of warning...
[14:31]<@BC_Programming> I think my main problem is that often the way young-earth creationists "prove" that the earth is young is by poking holes in those methodologies and theories that say otherwise; but that's not how it works, you don't just say it's wrong; what you do is you go "well, I see that your theories don't explain X" and then present an alternate theory or extend the original one to explain both the
[14:31]<@BC_Programming> original phenomena as well as the observed abberations. I've yet to see a presented alternate theory that does that; particularly since there is a lot of stuff that would need to be explained "again" using the new theory.
[14:35]<Tux2> Good point.
[14:37]<Tux2> Thanks for taking the time to explain those to me, I appreciate it. :D
[14:37]<@BC_Programming> No problem
[14:37]<Tux2> I know that if I ask you a question you are going to give a well thought out, logical response. :D
[14:38]<@BC_Programming> I could just yell at you if you prefer
[14:38]<@BC_Programming> heh
[14:39]<@BC_Programming> Another thing I like to consider is that most of the theories, like evolution, or tectonic plate shifting, and so forth were basically considered "ridiculous" when they were first proposed
[14:39]<Tux2> lol! "<BC_Programming>You incompetent moron! You don't understand a thing about dating methods. Don't start telling me those methods are inaccurate until you have researched it yourself!"
[14:39]<@BC_Programming> haha
[14:40]<Tux2> Yes, that's my own imagination taking off...
[14:41]<@BC_Programming> but the thing about the "silly" theories that kept getting laughed at is that more and more information started to point towards them
[14:41]<@BC_Programming> and people were like "ok... I think maybe we ought to give that a second look"
[14:41]<Tux2> Like the earth going around the sun
[14:41]<@BC_Programming> well, personally I was thinking more along the lines of evolution and plate tectonics, but that another typical example
[14:42]<@BC_Programming> that isn't to say that these are "proven" theories, just that so far they have "proven" themselves, if that makes sense
[14:42]<Tux2> Yeah, exactly.
[14:43]<Tux2> Although we are coming at it from 2 opposite angles, so we are going to have different things to "prove" our theories.
[14:46]<@BC_Programming> but I think the important thing to me is that one cannot just disprove, or find a hole in a currently accepted theory or theories that explain a lot without presenting an alternative explanation, or a new theory based on that one that explains the same phenomena
[14:47]<Tux2> BC_Programming, I'm sure you know how creationists explain the grand canyon in the US, right?
[14:47]<@BC_Programming> actually no
[14:47]<@BC_Programming> or I forgot
[14:48]<Tux2> Now, correct me if I am wrong, but Evolution says that the grand canyon was made over millions of years by the stream in the bottom of the canyon.
[14:48]<@BC_Programming> evolution doesn't say anything about the grand canyon
[14:48]<@BC_Programming> or imply it, really
[14:48]<Tux2> ah...
[14:49]<@BC_Programming> that's more geology, I would think
[14:49]<Tux2> well, in the US, that's the common explanation.
[14:49]<@BC_Programming> erosion basically
[14:49]<Tux2> Yeah.
[14:51]<Tux2> Creationists say that basically there was a natural dam at the start of the grand canyon that made a huge lake that extended into canada (they used actual gelogical data to simulate the lake). After a while of water running over the dam it broke and flooded the entire area, eroding much of the area we now know as the grand canyon.
[14:53]<Tux2> Of course we don't know how the original area looked for either of the two theories so that's all speculation.
[14:54]<@BC_Programming> OTOH, another question would be how such a dam formed to start with maybe
[14:54]<Tux2> exactly
[14:57]<@BC_Programming> and where all the water came from, and why it didn't evaporate over time and stuff
[14:59]<Tux2> That's a good question, and there is a theory to explain that as well...
[14:59]<@BC_Programming> and more precisely, where all that water went
[15:00]<Tux2> well, basically, into the ocean, raising water levels slightly.
[15:01]<Tux2> Now, you've got to remember that creationists believe the earth was very different when first created than it is now.
[15:04]<Tux2> A theory, based on the christian bible, explains that there was a canopy of water over the earth, basically another layer protecting us from some more harmful rays from the sun. When the biblical worldwide flood happened, it basically tore the canopy down, flooding the whole earth. Also during that time most of the plate shifting happened, forming the soft ground into mountains and valleys that we see today. Also, some of that water was trapped
[15:04]<Tux2> , making that huge lake behind the grand canyon.
[15:04]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[15:05]<Tux2> Now, pick it apart. ;)
[15:05]<@BC_Programming> I'll try that some day
[15:05]<@BC_Programming> make flying water
[15:05]<Tux2> lol, just like flying satellites?
[15:05]<@BC_Programming> um
[15:05]<@BC_Programming> water can't remain in liquid form in space
[15:06]<Tux2> so it would be more like a gas then?
[15:06]<@BC_Programming> yes
[15:07]<@BC_Programming> and it would be stripped off by the solar wind
[15:07]<Tux2> hmm... I wonder if there is a height were it would be a gas, but not stripped...
[15:07]<Tux2> just a thought.
[15:07]<@BC_Programming> yes, but there would be so much that it would condense and form a think cloud layer
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> thick*
[15:08]<@BC_Programming> and of course, unless the implication is some power was keeping the water vapour at that level constantly rather then allow it to be influenced by gravity, it would eventually fall to the ground as rain
[15:11]<@BC_Programming> by eventually I mean right away; additionally, another question that could be raised is how such a high, thick cloud layer (which is pretty much what it would be) would have come to be, as well as what it protects us from, since Ultraviolet, cosmic, beta, and gamma waves all go right through water vapour regardless of it's thickness
[15:12]<@BC_Programming> practically right away, in terms of the hydrologic cycle, I should say
[15:12]<@BC_Programming> and protected us from
[15:15]<Tux2> I don't have those answers at the moment, that's for sure. ;)
[15:15]<@BC_Programming> Well off to bed for me anyways
[15:38]<Tux2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L-rrkyvApU&NR=1&feature=fvwp
[15:40]<@BC_Programming> lol
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[16:24]<cameron_netbook> Gah - Just electrocuted myself :P
[16:25]<cameron_netbook> No idea how, unplugged my camcorder charger from the wall and held the plug and somehow got a shock
[16:25]<cameron_netbook> Was full out of the socket too :P
[16:26]<Craig> Power packs hold a charge for up to 10 minutes after being unpluged.
[16:27]<Craig> Garenteed it was a capacitor in your pack that did it.
[16:27]<cameron_netbook> That would explain it :P
[16:27]<+pottsi> ohai
[16:27]<cameron_netbook> Surely they should have something to stop it going back down the cable to the plug :P
[16:27]<cameron_netbook> Hey Craig & pottsi
[16:28]<cameron_netbook> At least I didn't die :P
[16:28]<Craig> Thats what the Ground is designed for.
[16:28]<Craig> If you touch the contacts together they will arch
[16:28]<+pottsi> hey cameron_netbook
[16:28]<cameron_netbook> Ahh - The thing isn't grounded
[16:29]<cameron_netbook> Just a "figure of 8" into the brick
[16:30]<cameron_netbook> Craig: Not seen you on MC in ages :P
[16:31]<Craig> That is another cause then, there is nothing preventing the Caps discharging into the socket again, or your hand.
[16:31]<Craig> Yeah I dont really play on Tux2's server, not biased against it, just havent.
[16:32]<Craig> :P
[16:32]<cameron_netbook> You should :P
[16:32]<cameron_netbook> The shops are so cool
[16:34]<cameron_netbook> Although i'm terrified of the city centre - It's made of wood :P
[16:35]<Craig> :P
[16:35]<cameron_netbook> You may notice that I've filled the space between my shop and the library with water :P
[16:37]<Craig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb3hoZu3hzY
[16:38]<cameron_netbook> eww
[16:38]<cameron_netbook> I don't like animals that aren't cute and fluffy
[16:39]<cameron_netbook> Although I do have rats :P
[16:41]<Craig> Check this one out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29PbY4RIpXo
[16:42]<cameron_netbook> lol
[16:43]<cameron_netbook> You seen this one?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ltcWcwnPfY
[16:43]<cameron_netbook> Same channel as the dog one
[16:45]<cameron_netbook> The words just fit so well
[16:46]<cameron_netbook> Especially when it says "Should have been the rug:
[16:46]<Craig> :P
[16:48]<cameron_netbook> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rfGEtALHYs
[16:50]<cameron_netbook> My uncle has one of them - Just starting talking :P
[16:52]<cameron_netbook> So far he knows: Hello, Alright, Weeeeeeee, Uh Oh and Squdward :P
[16:53]<cameron_netbook> Oh and some Red Dwarf character - no idea who
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[17:26]<Craig> OH HAhAHAHAHAHAHAA Watch this!~ HAHAHAHAAH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmcMG4uxiHk
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[19:40]<sonicrules1234> Welcome back
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[22:53]<Tux2> Well, server is back up after yet another power outtage! ! !
[22:55]<Tux2> We usually have two per year, but we've already filled the quota in two days....
[22:58]<Tux2> Well, I guess I am talking to myself....